IS THERE EVER A GOOD TIME TO RIP OFF YOUR BUDDY?
Women Don't Lie - Men Don't Listen
Success Coach - Doc Love
Im involved in a messy situation I hope you can guide me through.
Ive known Erica and her ex-boyfriend, Jeff, for exactly the same amount of time (I
met them when they were dating each other). About a month ago, they broke up. (Jeff
initiated it.) Afterwards, Erica called and invited me out to shoot pool. I went, we had a
good time, and we started hanging out together more often. I was attracted to her, but
since Jeff is a friend of mine and her ex, I felt that I should ask permission
before trying to pursue Erica. I did just that. He said no, so I backed off.
The next day Erica called and said Jeff had phoned her at 1:30 in the morning and asked
whether there was anything between the two of us.
This bothered me. First of all, he should have taken my word that nothing was going on.
Second, after their breakup, he never called Erica once, except to ask if there was
something between us.
Well, she and I continued to hang out and have a good time. Then one day she called and
informed me that we were just friends, even though I apparently wanted
something more than a friendship. Who told you this? I asked her. She let out that Jeff
had told her things that I never said. I smoothed things out, and she and I hung out again
the next night.
The next morning Erica called and said I dont think we should hang out
anymore. After asking questions and getting nowhere, I finally said that if that was
what she wanted, then I wouldnt try to change her mind. She told me I would figure
it out. This is what Ive come to decide might be going on:
1. Jeff has said something else to her that damages my credibility.
2. She thinks I still have feelings for her.
3. Shes just plain angry about something.
4. She has feelings for me. (This is what some of my friends think.)
5. Erica and Jeff are back together. (This is what I really think.)
Doc, I dont want to lose two friends, and I definitely dont want to lose Erica
as a friend and potential love interest. Help me, please.
Henry whos stuck somewhere in between
Your friend denied you permission to hit on his ex. What you should have addressed up
front was how close you were to this guy, how long youve known him, and whether you
could live without him as a friend, then proceeded -- with extreme caution -- from there.
Most times it doesnt work out with a woman, and you end up destroying a relationship
with a buddy. So the moral of the story is never mess with the other guys ex, even
if he tells you to go ahead and knock yourself out. It flies in the face of one of the
most important things in life loyalty. And even though the exes protest that
its over forever and theyre just good friends now, there are still emotional
ties. And thats what you were messing with here. So unless youre willing to
write your guy friend off, you have to think long and hard about youre about to do.
Now Ill let you in on something, Henry. Jeff didnt initiate this breakup --
Erica did. To you Psych majors, women do the dumping up 90% of the time in the dating
game. And by the way, who told you that Jeff was the instigator of the breakup? Were you
there to witness it? It amazes me how a man will suck up any slop that some pretty female
throws at him when hes gone over her. Hell believe two and two equals seven if
she tells him it does! As my cousin Fast Eddie Love says, When it comes to women,
men are complete idiots! (Of course your friends a fool, too, for calling his
ex at one-thirty in the morning. Thats called begging. He knows nothing -- maybe
even less than you do, Henry.)
I notice that you got enough hang-out time in with Erica before you asked Jeffs
permission to date her. Why didnt you do that straight out of the gate,
dude? Because you were already making time with her, thats why. You made sure you
liked this girl before you called your buddy, and thats why it took you so long.
Dont con yourself, and dont try to con me. As Sal The Fish Love
puts it, A guy who tries to fool himself is the biggest fool of all!
So what was the upshot of all your slick maneuvering, Henry? You got dumped. And you
dont know why. When women dump you, they always give you the second, third, and
fourth reasons why theyre dumping you. The real reason is called low Interest Level.
Next! So after getting the brush, what do you go and do? Work your way into hanging out
with Erica again the next night! Youre the exact antithesis of Challenge! Why not
try staying away from this girl for four or five days and give her a chance to miss you?
WHEN SHE SAID YOUD FIGURE IT OUT, SHE OVERRATED YOU, PAL. So Ill do the
figuring for you. Lets look at your delusions one by one.
1. It doesnt matter what Jeff said about you, because only YOU lowered Ericas
2. Erica doesnt think about your feelings, because she has none for you.
3. Ericas angry, all right. Shes angry because she spent too much time with
4. Sure, Erica has feelings for you. And on the way home tonight, youre going to be
abducted by Bigfoot.
5. Yep, Erica and Jeff are back together. But you had to turn her off before she went back
Dear Henry: Youve been smoking too much loco weed. Lose two friends? As long as
theyre making out, they dont care about you. Theyre so happy to be back
together, you havent even made a blip on their radar screen.
Remember, guys: women dont lie, and men dont listen.
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